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all doers. my first guess embodies all of that and more, lance armstrong. >> on the topic of the federal investigation, you have a very compelling interview coming up in "men's journal," where you say, i am done. enough. >> anybody would be. not just the personal stress the toll it takes on yourself, your family, your business, your foundation, on all of these things. wear a man out. i'm worn out. listen, i'm a fighter. so if i ever need to fight, i'm going to fight. but i'm certainly sick and tire of dealing with all of this. this has been a 15-year question -- >> 15 years? >> well, no. but it really started in '99. >> when people started talking? >> yeah. the reason we're in the
position -- and this is my own personal belief, which means nothing to a lot of people, there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and i mean 5 or 600 controls that are all negative, blood, urine hair whatever they wanted to take. at some point somebody is going to have to answer that question. so -- hey, is that when i say that i'm done, i mean that i -- i'm not going to -- look, you can imagine these things take a ton of time energy and attention, and they suck the life and money out of you. >> people don't even fully appreciate that -- >> yeah, a lot of zeros. >> and it's not like you get reimbursed. >> no, but whatever. but i'm just on to other things. i want to focus on the triathlon, my children, my foundation, that's what i want to think about. i'm lance armstrong if somebody
put my back into a corner i'm coming out swinging, i hate to say it but let's hope my back is never in a corner but on to other things. >> when we witness greatness do we immediately question it? >> i don't know -- >> do you think it helps in the olympics fedder tiger woods -- >> it is so competitive. everybody is out there just -- to trump the other person. >> yeah. >> and it leads to a frenzy, a feeding frenzy and if they smell blood, they go nuts. and with that comes -- listen just in my own personal history, the amount of crap that you have seen written, and you
say -- somebody should lose their job over that. >> it has never hand. rarely. >> i don't know -- >> do you think it's changing? >> no but i wouldn't say it never happens. >> this leads to an interesting point or question, at a certain point, people made their minds up about you. they make it up about politicians too. no matter what you >> that's the point i am making is look, let's not sit here and have this argument anymore. we can talk about a million things, if somebody wants to walk up and say i think you cheated in one of the tour de france, i would literally go -- all right. because i'm not wasting anymore of my time talking about it and you shouldn't waste your time talk about it, let's move on. and i do think people have decided. they are on one side or the other or maybe they are in the middle and don't care. >> yeah, there is that group
too. >> when i wake up every day and try to decide what i'm going to do in a day, there are a hundred things i want to do before i worry about that. >> some nice kid from texas is getting involved in a politically charged issue, something called prop 29, which proposes to raise the tobacco tax, you are going up against the biggest, deepest pockets you possibly can. what are you doing out here? >> we're trying to get it passed. we're trying to get passed something on an issue that we think we're on the right side of. we firmly believe we're on the right side of. tobacco increases on cigarettes or any form of tobacco is the only proven thing to get kids to not smoke and to never smoke or quit smoking. the winfall from that a dollar
a pack, it's an astonishing amount of money. when i first started seeing the initial numbers -- >> yeah. >> 735 the first year and then just up and up and up -- >> and eventually it starts to go down because you get people to stop smoking. but we are up against a foe that has a ton of business on the line so they will do anything, say anything, twist this thing anyway to get it defeated, and it's tough for us. again, we're on the right side of this thing, you look around and say here is the amount of money we can raise for research the lives we can save and then you have all of the other -- it's not me, my foundation, it's the american heart association, lug association, all of these great organizations. >> your foundation put $1.5 million in.
>> uh-huh. >> so why not a battle in texas? >> we did the battle in texas. we -- we fought a similar situation, although not political at all. we weren't up against a foe like we are now with big tobacco, but probably three or four years ago we had an initiative called proposition 15 that we got passed. and we thought we were done. for us we're a relatively small organization, we raise roughly $50 million a year. we can't -- we can't go out and fund a ton of high-level research, we don't have the money. we're not the american cancer society that raises a billion dollars a year. this is our way with a million and a half dollars -- and by comparison proposition 16 we spent much less.
in the history of our lives % we'll never be able to raise $3 million -- so this is something that we think is a smart investment, and a smart investment for the state. obviously it does save lives but then there's also the part that says hey, you got 8 or $900 million a year pumped into this economy, bringing the best researchers from all over the world to this state? that has to be interesting. >> i noted the tobacco tax hasn't been raised in the last 14 years and only north dakota and missouri share that. here it is a big battle and i think because it is such a large market, the impact of money is more dominant. >> the math is so simple.
if it looks to raise 8 or $900 million a year that means there are 8 or 9 hundred million packs of cigarettes sold in the state every year. >> yeah. >> we're out here to help save lives. >> it's so interesting, because the reason i thought this would be an important topic to bring up, because it goes to everything that i think is wrong with respect to politics. 33 times in the last 30 years, the california legislature has tried to adopt a tobacco tax without having to do it in front of the voters. it has been rejected every single time except one. they pump in 10s of millions of dollars a year to in essence fear by politicians. so you have got to go to the ballot, but then in 2006, the last time we had a tobacco tax they went off it with $66 million and defeated it.
are they going to spend that kind of money this time? >> they are going to spend whatever they need to spend. i don't know the exact numbers if it's 66 or 75 or 100, they will spend it. the marketing budget is far greater than what the federal government spends in this entire fight. it's alarming. >> yeah. >> but the thing is is that this disease and especially tobacco-related disease is tricky. it's an issue that many call an orphan disease. people look another a guy that is dying of lung cancer and we go you did it to yourself. and we got to stop that. it is a user fee, basically. but look, the entire spectrum of the disease is 560,000 americans, we'll sit here for 20 or 30 minutes and 20 or 30
americans are going to die while we're sitting here talking about this. the final thing i'll say too is this is creative, this is at a time when the federal government, and everybody is cutting back funding, so where will the money come from? from initiatives like this. >> you are not a particularly political animal? you have had good relationships on both sides of the aisle. >> i try to stay in the middle, i do. i have my own views, and vote my own concern way, and i any a lot of ways my political views are very different than what america in general thinks they are. >> because you are from texas -- >> because you are from texas, and -- i don't want to go too far down -- >> you are also from austin texas which is one of the more
progressive areas. >> right. >> a red state within a blue city. >> i have been seen with president clinton plenty of times, and president bush plenty of times, and this disease doesn't care if you are republican or democratic if you speak english or spanish. >> yeah, that's why it is so frustrated when you see people that get involved in initiative to try to stop us from trying to safe people's lives. your organization has been around for what -- >> about 15 years. we just went through $457 million. so we're hoping by the end of this 15th year, we'll pass half a billion dollars. >> it is growing? or when you decided to retire from racing or cycling did you think we're going to lose a
little leverage -- >> you can't -- i shouldn't say that, because certainly when i got off of the bike and retired there was a dip. >> right. >> and that's normal and logical. >> yeah. >> having said that our -- our annual income, our annual raise is -- is on the rise every year. >> yeah. >> we haven't had a down year in 15 years. >> right. and you -- you are doing personal asks are you doing big annual do you have great partnerships? >> i'm like you -- >> you don't love asking. >> asking for money -- and i know you well enough to know -- >> you are not supposed to say that publicly -- >> oh. [ laughter ] >> i'm sorried about asking for money, you'll ask anybody. [ laughter ] >> i'm shameless. >> but it's hard. people have to -- in a lot of ways they have to want to give and be involved --
>> yeah, and are the people that typically give have a personal story to tell? >> for sure. but nothing beats that personal phone call. if i care about something, if it's prop 29 or another program we're doing, if i make the call and say, listen, i need your help here, chances are that is going to happen, but still it's -- sometimes that's hard to do. >> i get that, but people need to know this about you, you have been -- you didn't lend your name to this campaign. i know how many times you have been out here hustling in places large and small. >> yeah, this is a competitive issue for me, and it is getting more and more competitive, because i realize that it is dating a life and that really starts to frustrate me and make me mad. >> all of this competitive angst and edge you have which you are
now incorporating in your triathlons, and the causes you are working on you have five kids ages one to 12 right? >> yeah. >> i don't know if i want you as that's a little too much pressure. are these kids already triathletes? >> no, these kids can do whatever they want to do. my kids were the last kids in their grade to learn how to ride a bike without training wheels. believe it or not. >> i don't know if i believe that. >> i'm one of them is [ inaudible ] but she has -- she will found that on her own. she runs -- you see her run, and she just glides. i'm like why can't i run like that in the races. >> do you train with her? >> no, she doesn't train. she walks. i'm like how does this work? >> that's it.
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question is this are we in another bubble? >> a bubble when you have hundred million dollars facebook go public? yes. >> how do you define a bubble? overexuberance? what defines a double? >> to answer that question backwards one of the fears of a bubble is people that invest in companies like facebook, if they don't return the investment it could be really bad for consumers. i think where this is a bubble, and we do have to be worried is because you have -- a perfect example is the acquisition of in instagram instagram. >> in the 1990s we all experienced it living out here in the bay area a lot of
companies that created a lot of wealth initially, and then it fell out from under it. facebook produces revenue, twitter and these other companies are generating ad revenue. it seems like a lot of these companies have a little bit more going for them this time around. >> i think that's the big difference. and where you have these instances where you haves the companies that are profitable, and then you have companies that are completely overvalued and instagram is the extremecase. and there is this start up balled bibi 3 million users. and you have venture capitalists that are trying to get really large returns on their investment. and that's where the problem is. >> that begs the question with
the facebook ipo, is now they are a public company. they have transparency issues, accountability issues and now they have to deal with not just the vcs getting their money in and out but also all of those analysts who move from quarter-to-quarter. is that going to dramatically change the culture of facebook? >> i think it's the fact that you have these people that have been there for a very long time that are now going to be multi-millionaires and billionaires, and the question is how long will they want to stick around. >> you talk about changing the culture, your idea of moving to sustainable values, and now the financial capital that these folks will have have you seen that cultural change at google. >> it doesn't necessarily apply to google, and i think that's
part of the reason they are having trouble innovating to the speed they are used to innovating to. and i think you will have the same thing with facebook, because there are people who are hungry to win. >> now we're post ipo. what happens next? is this going to be a flood gate for other companies? is now there going to be wide open door for hundreds or thousands of others? is this thing going to blow up now? >> i think there is a couple of answers. one these companies that are hypervalued, there are only a few people that can buy them. yahoo is not going to be buying any companies any time soon microsoft, aol and apple, if
they decide to go down that route. with these companies that are valued at such high numbers, they don't have an option than either to go public or close the doors. and the other side of it too, when you look at these companies that are going to start growing, they have to start looking at these business models. >> well it's an exciting with jennifer granholm. >>i am jenniffer granholm and you are in the war room. it's a beautiful thing. >>jennifer granholm on current tv. >>i'm a political junkie. this show is my fix. >>in politics, she was a gutsy leader. in cable news, she's a game changer. >>be afraid, be very afraid. now, the two term governor from michigan is reshaping the debate with a unique perspective and a forward-thinking approach.
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she joined google in 1999 as employ number 20 and today she is our guest number 3 marissa mayer. thank so much for being here on our first show. i'm grateful for the opportunity to talk about what is next. everything we hear from the tech community seems all about local, social, mobile cloud, all of this new language. you are front and center this because you are doing all of the mapping work at google. so what does it matter in our lives? >> i think one of the really exciting things that is happening now with all of the social activity online and mobile devices, one of the things you can do is connect the virtual world from the physical world. >> what do you mean by that? >> you can say wait is there a restaurant near me they would like. and a lot of the preferences,
you can find that. if your friends have checked in somewhere, you can see my friend is nearby. so all of the activities can now be mapped into the physical world. >> interesting. >> if you think about a cursor in a word-processor that tells you where you are. it's like that. >> a lot of people talk about web 2.0. are those days numbered as we go all mobile? what happens to the old laptop at work? >> 2.0 is a concept, not particular thing. so there are a lot of trends that are there, and continuing to play on mobile but i do think mobile is the big wave and for a lot of people because it is always on and with you, they are find more and more you know, do you -- you know pick
up your phone and your tablet or open up your laptop? >> right. and it's now becoming a trade off. so i think that there will always be desktops, and laptops, but we are seeing a huge trend towards mobile. maps are one of the killer apps in mobile technologies. >> right. >> and last june already we saw crossover, which means we now get more traffic on mobile than we do on desktop, and that will be true forever. because it just turns out maps are that much more useful on your phone when you are walking around than on the desk top. >> the evolution of maps you guys were the first out front on the maps using government technology, right? >> there are other map vendors, but one of the things that
happens is people got used to maps on line being very static, but there was no drag and drop there was no zoom in or zoom out, there was no satellite view, and with google maps we launched in 2005 that was a wow moment. it was that richly feature of a map you usually has to install the software on your computer. and that's the big innovation that google maps had. and a month later we launched satellite view and it is sort of interesting to think about as recently as five or six ago, you used to only see satellite imagery on the news and now people can -- you know go to the grand canyon and see their house. our estimate is probably more
than a billion people in the world have seen their home from above. >> not only above, i here you guys are now getting into public spaces like airports, like you are inside the bathrooms or the big box retail stores that are willing to participate with you in that kind of mapping. >> we really want to help people get to where they are going, but when you walk into an airport or mall or huge retailer there's actually a lot of navigating yet to do and we really pride ourselves on helping people navigate. so we have been working with some public spaces and large retailers, so we have the macy's best buy, i keia all of those.
>> and i imagine they want to let you know all of the specials. or the last time you walked down this aisle, you bought this t-shirt. is that where we're going? >> one of the things we see at google is commerce is very tied to maps and mobile. >> right. >> now you can take someone's preferences, their offers, their buying habits and help them become an even more efficient shopper, and help advertisers, retailers connect with those people in a way that is really useful. and it takes the powers we traditionally had on search and brings it to your every day. advertisements and offers that are really relevant to you. just last week we launched maps 6.7, and it puts the offers right on the map.
so as you are cruising around, you can see, actually the bugger bar down the street does have a special. >> what has made google relevant for so long? you started with google in 1999 i guess a week or so after the company was officially launched -- >> a little longer than that. >> well, but within a margin of error. but this company has been dominant and grows remarkable ways, and in so many different ways, what is the secret sauce? is it the willingness to keep innovating? >> i certainly think there is a luck factor, and that has played into it, but i think there is a few key tenants that will really help us to stay relevant. we like to look at big problems.
google maps we were like you know what we think this will be used a lot on the web, and even more on the phone. so we like to work on problems that touch people's every day lives, so we get a lot of usage and feedbacks. we like to focus on the user focusing on their problem, how everything should work for them and ultimately staying really relevant to them, i think that's ultimately the secret as to why google has stayed relevant for so long. we're working on every day problems that are really relevant to people. >> how do you determine the relevancy? what is the feedback? you were responsible just in simple terms for the home page of keeping it clean and simple? how do you know you get it right. >> there's a couple of different
ways to innovate. there are castle builders and bird workers. you start off in a space, and the treasure is here what do you do? do you pull the curtains closed for two, three four years and then throw them open and hope you landed on the treasure or do you get some feedback? and there are companies that do a wonderful job with castle building apple is amazing at that. they pull the shroud closed and when they throw it open it is like wow, no one even knew they were working on it. but you could land on the treasure and land far away. at google we like to launch early and often and iterate, getting feedback from users and having them pull us back on course so we got to the hot spot
of what the market wants. >> you have seven divisions now from the android -- but what is the core business? even this remarkable cars which i have seen firsthand and the automated cars or robotic cars something you are very familiar with, with your academic background. are those ancillary projects or core projects? >> the core business is clearly search and ads. that's one of the things we're known for. it is really what our business is built around, but for a long time, and it may not be as disciplined anymore, we had this concept of 70 20 10. you take 70% on the core projects and take 20% people and put them on main projects that may become core and then 10% on far-flung
things. >> did android and chrome come out of that 10%? >> effectively, yeah. search, social they all started% off at 10% and migrated into the nucleus. and a lot of time when you have that 10% that's the research division. and we try to make sure that everyone knows it is their job to innovate. we also want to innovate in the core. >> and do you support that -- do you support that risk taking, that iteration, people asking for forgiveness all the time? or permission, is it okay if we try this or that? >> i think that we definitely ask for forgiveness, and it's just a really important concept
to let people know that it's innovation, not instant perfection. >> you have 30,000 folks around the world, and coming from literally the 20th employ. how do you organize a value proposition literally across countries? >> it's challenging, but a lot of it has to do with hiring and one of the things we have done really well at google is we have discreet people. i get to go to work every day and work with the most amazing people. i like the line from the movie "high fidelity," where these two guys hang out in his store, and he turns to the camera, and he said these two guys i hired them two years ago and they just started showing up every day, i can't fire them now. i feel like that at google, i
would show up there even if they didn't pay me, just because they are amazing people. you can meet the value proposition of working on big problems that matter. >> speaking to someone who was there, took some time away but is back, larry paige is back in now at the helm. it is dramatically different? marginally different? >> they are both hugely talented. and we have had just the right ceo at just the right moments throughout. and that has been really helpful, and the core values and the culture of google -- people ask me a lot of what has changed over the years, and the most remarkable thing is what hasn't. everyone has a different management style, but what motivates people, what we like gets google excited in the morning and gets them out of bed, that has stayed
much the same. >> you have been there a long time but tech standards. >> thirteen years, yeah. >> you are still very young, you have impacted so many different products including g-mail now with the mobile, et cetera do you want to continue down the path of continuing to find different avenues in the company? >> for me it is about learning and challenges and impact. every time i had gotten to the point where i felt like i wasn't learning as much there was no challenge. i would be get to work on search and then something like google books on the side or do a four-way into g-mail. some of those things became really big and some didn't work out. when
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♪ you talk about the success of innovation, where you are constantly trying new things, but in that process, we fail we make mistakes. that one of the secret's of googles success? the willingness to try new or more things? and is it personally a core value of yours in your personal life? >> i think one of the most important things about failure is to be able to learn from it. and to learn from it you have to diagnose what happened and learn from it and move on. interestingly -- to me failure and speed are inherently linked.
there have been times when your products have failed because it hasn't been fast enough. we had google health and it ultimately didn't work because people waited too long. and the other thing that is interesting about failure and speed is failure is totally okay, as long as you fail fast. >> yeah. >> right? if you can actually say, you know what would i spend three years of my life on this, or three weeks, or three months. because the more you work on it the more you want it to work. time is money, and you start throwing the good at the bad, and you have got to watch the speed factor. >> from your perspective the speed is you aren't going fast
enough. it's fail forward fast. >> yeah. there's -- a lot of people talk about buyer's remorse. i am always the person who has non-buyer's reforce. it's like wait can we go fast enough, and move on and get something successful. >> what are the proof points? i imagine you have had them in the past with products and things where people start to look around and who is going to acknowledge this is not working as we had hoped -- >> yeah, there are things like team or team failures, but i they overall a lot of -- a lot of failures -- you know, have to do with just -- you know is it the right time? >> right. >> is it the right moment for this? do you have the right features? but the nice thing about online technologies and mobile
technologies is you know what the growth should look like. if you are going to get to a billion users, you better be doubling every month in the early days. i have always been abscessed with our numbers and you can often tell in the early days of something, it is growing 40% month over month? 70% month over month, right? because if you are going to hit a peak like youtube or google search or google map, this those early days, you will see fundamental double-digit, or triple-digit growths. >> google plus -- i mean remarkable growth early on. a lot of folks didn't believe you could sustain this. how much time has it taken for that part of google's overall operation? and is that -- that is certainly part of the core strategies, social, local, mobile and
obviously the ubiquity of the cloud. >> social is big and we really do feel good about this -- but there's no question that we had a lot of missteps along the way. we had orchid which was popular but only in a couple of areas. we has google buzz google wave, and we have learned from each of those cases, and google plus, i think does a great job overall with really modeling how people like to share information. i can share information with a certain circle of people. >> right. >> right? and it does a good job on that. you can see some of the learnings that we have had play out there. >> yeah, well, our circle of time has contracted so i'm
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drive, and marissa, watch her, he is destined to have an even broader impact. facebook, we have seem them impact in remarkable ways. i also had to address what is happening arrange us and what is not happening in government sectors. i want to look at ways people change our lives around the world. because of what is happening with these tools of technology, smartphones and other tools, the digital divide is increasing dramatically, but particularly in government versus the private sector. i have always believed that we have a venning machine model of government, where you put in a dollar and get limited choices, police, fire, defense, and health care, and if you don't like what you get with those limited choices, well you shake the machine. in many ways that's the occupy
movement. but with these tools of technology and the new platforms they create, maybe we can figure out ways to fill in the blanks to look at government more like a platform. social media, of course would be a big part of it. we don't want to do all of this on a one a week show we want to use new venues like facebook twitter, and google plus to engage in a two-way conversation, because my fundamental belief is that one-way conversations are dead in business and politics. you have got to have a two-way conversation. i hope you will be in for new and innovative ways and ability to reach a large audience. i want to focus again on what to do and focus on ways of building platforms to generate new ideas, your ideas. so thanks for watching the show and hope to see you on the web and back on current tv >>(narrator) the sheriff of wall street. >>the leadership of high finance just doesn't get it. >>(narrator) the former governor
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